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General

Introduction

SAGA is considering affiliating to Mind Sports South Africa. This page is to facilitate the discussion surrounding the issue. I assume the constitution of MSSA is public record, and not confidential, so I am posting it at MSSA constitution. The regulations are at MSSA regulations, and there are also code-specific MSSA boardgaming regulations. These are rather long documents, so if you want to take issue with anything in them, please quote the relevant text here.

This is a discussion page, so please feel free to add your comments. If you want to separate your comment, you can do so by indenting it by adding colons to the beginning of the line. Please also sign your posts by adding four ~ characters to the end (or by pressing the "signature" button above the text editing window).

Affiliation as an organization as opposed to per-member

I have just spoken to Colin Webster, and he has explained to me that if SAGA were to affiliate to MSSA as an organization, this would not cost SAGA anything beyond a nominal affiliation fee on the order of R100 per year.

Excellent, this is more along the lines of what I originally understood (before the documents threw us). However, it's still not clear to me what the status of all the documents would be. Presumably we would (technically anyway if not in practice) be subject to the rules expressed in the Constitution and Regulations so we need to look at them closely. Also, I still hold that the current Board Gaming Regulations are nonsensical and we'll want to have a separate set specifically for go (or at least a clause exempting us from the specifics of that document). -- Konrad 10:37, 8 January 2007 (EST)

We would still schedule, regulate and run our tournaments ourselves, would still select our international representatives ourselves (as long as they are not awarded Protea colours), and would continue to conduct our affairs completely independently. Our members would not be required to get memberships to any additional bodies. He explained that the draughts players do not affiliate to the wargaming bodies.

The advantages to this form of affiliation are that we would have access to the MSSA's member clubs at schools and universities across the country, allowing for wider marketing of go as a sport, and we would be allowed to award schools, provincial and national colours (an award that is distinct from Protea colours). We would also be represented at all MSSA presentations, including the presentation of sporting codes at the opening of parliament each year. We would also have two seats on the MSSA council, which would basically entail the right to add motions to their agenda (which is circulated in lieu of a sit-down meeting, as they have members around the country) and to vote on such motions.

He also explained to me that, should the members of the Stellenbosch go club work together with the Mind-sports people at Stellenbosch to create a university club, this would enable them to participate in intervarsities, as this would be the fifth South African mind-sports university club. This would also allow our university players to get university colours.

A further possibility would be for MSSA and SAGA to agree to recognize each other's memberships (Colin, please elaborate, I seem to have forgotten what the point of this would be). --Slashme 08:43, 8 January 2007 (EST)

>The above as reported by Slashme is quite correct as per our telephonic conversation.

To deal with Konrad's issue first. MSSA (with Executive approval)would not see any problem with allowing SAGA to keep its status. MSSA would accept SAGA on the condition that it remains self-governing. If SAGA wanted to make use of our medals and venues it will be absolutely at the discretion of the SAGA committee. That way the Regulations would not apply to SAGA, and if necessary the MSSA Executive would gladly consider entering such a clause.

However, MSSA would insist on recognising the SAGA championships to have equal status as our own so that should players who qualify for Primary School Colours, High School Colours, Student Colours, Provincial Colours and National Colours would receive such.

Allied to that, MSSA will also undertake to advise the media of your events.

As far as recognising each others membership, it is felt that by doing such, any of our members would be able to participate in SAGA events at member's entrants rates. Likewise, should any SAGA member wish to participate in a MSSA event, such player shall be welcome.--Colin Webster 16:16, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Clarification of organizational structure

Colin, could you please explain the relationship between the various bodies involved, namely MSSA, SAWU, IWF, school clubs etc. For example, say a school has wargamers and marabaraba players, do they have separate clubs? Is draughts handled as a "wargaming period"? Do the draughts players register with the FMJD as well as the IWF? Is there a South African Draughts organization of some kind that is affiliated with the FMJD? --Slashme 11:25, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Reply:
First let me begin by stating that MSSA respects the autonomy of all member organisations as long as members function in accordance with the spirit and objectives of MSSA.
Currently MSSA is affiliated to two international federations being the FMJD and the IWF.
MSSA divides all its activities into broad disciplines, being figure gaming, board gaming, and computer gaming.
Figure gaming consists of the many wargaming periods such as Ancients, Pike & Shot, Horse & Musket, etc
Board gaming consists of the many different games (which we also refer to as periods) such as the different variations of draughts, morabaraba, Sesothomorabaraba, moruba, etc.
Computer gaming consists of many many periods...
MSSA leaves it up to the clubs to decide which games they want to play. However, with school clubs we actively encourage them to promote all the different disciplines if possible.
As you may know we already have clubs based at Universities that are recognised by such University All Sport Councils. We only needtwo more University Clubs to be so recognised and then we can participate in the Inter "Varsity which will allow students to earn the University "Blues".--Colin Webster 03:02, 7 January 2007 (EST)
Colin, do you have figures for us on how many school clubs and university clubs are affiliated or associated with MSSA. Can you give us a rough presence breakdown by province? --TheKro 03:34, 8 January 2007 (EST)
David, it may be worthwhile to see what organizations the IGF are involved with as well. As far as I understand it, the IGF is part of IMSA (intl. mind sports association), which comprises intl. bodies for chess, draughts, Go, and something else (only 4 sports, I believe). There was also talk of them getting Go recognised as some kind of sport (apparently a form which allows Go to be a kind of "display sport" at the China olympics. The relationship between IMSA, MSSA, and other international sports bodies may be important, as well. --TheKro 03:28, 8 January 2007 (EST)

That's correct: According to this press release, The IGF (go), along with FMJD (draughts), FIDE (chess), and WBF (bridge) are the founder members of the International Mind Sport Association (IMSA), under the aegis of the General Association of International Sports Federations (GAISF), with the objective, among others, to regularly organise the “World Mind Sport Games” on a four year cycle.

Discussion on steps to be taken by SAGA

Comment from Andre Connell

First some background information: A while back while I was an active computer gamer, there was some talk of computer gaming in SA (at least some branches of it i.e. some of the main competition organisers) becoming affiliated to MSSA. A group of us even attended one of the MSSA meetings (their AGM I think). Basically what we decided at that time was that MSSA would offer zero benefit, while adding to costs, and wanting total control. A different set of gamers of one specific game (Battlefield - 2142) seems to have joined MSSA since then, however I have no idea why as yet, but can ask them if necessary.

I read through the MSSA documentation, and quite frankly: 1) I see no benefit whatsoever from associating ourselves with MSSA. 2) It will take a lot of effort to align the masses of red tape SAGA already has to the masses of red tape MSSA already has. 3) It will cost SAGA members more money. 4) We will have less control in our own organisation.

I strongly oppose any motion to join MSSA.

Comment from Steve Kroon

My impressions from reading David's comments are that the consitution and regulations have been squeezed together from chess and wargaming groups, and not enough attention has been put into shifting core concepts of mind sports and principles of organization and tournaments into the core rules/constitution of MSSA, while shifting game-specific rules into the province of the relative sports administration (e.g. if SA chess wanted to remove its touchmove rule as a national statement, or SA go later wanted to change komi, or employ Chinese/Ing/whatever rules instead of Japanese, we should be able to do that ourselves, not have it painted into the MSSA regulations and ask them permission about them.

On the other hand, MSSA should confer benefits in exchange for us meeting certain standards (such as transparency, "non-dictatorship", good organization, etc. Thus maintaining these standards should be requirements to keep membership of MSSA, and I can understand fines being employed for deviation from these standards.

All in all, I see David has put a lot of effort into this, and I think MSSA is a good idea, so I would propose not joining MSSA yet, but rather setting up a working group (or responsible council member/SAGA member) to liaise with the MSSA council about the changes necessary to streamline their organization and to make joining them more worthwhile. When this group or member feels sufficient progress has been made, the proposal for affiliation can be tabled again.--TheKro 04:35, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Reply from Colin Webster of Mind Sport South Africa

It is important for readers to note that the rules of the specific games (or as we call them "periods") are not enshrined in the Regulations, but rather chosen by the majority of entrants who enter a championship.

In that case, I suggest that rules governing the handling of pieces (although due to the nature of the game, they would not be applicable to go) and the format of tournaments (e.g. the one-day five-round format prescribed in the boardgaming regulations) be delegated to tournament directors. This is the case with SAGA. The tournament is advertised well in advance with a specification of time limits, format and tiebreaking rules, all determined by the tournament director. We couldn't run to five rounds in one day. What effect would this have on venue-sharing? --Slashme 09:38, 6 January 2007 (EST)

In fact in certain cases, where the membership has demanded it, we offer all the different options. So, in the case of Draughts, players have the option of entering draughts to any of the three internationally accepted versions be it 8 by 8, 10 by 10, or Brazilian. Likewise for Morabaraba, players have the option of entering championships to either of the two recognised versions.

If the membership wanted one or more versions to be played at our championships, we would certainly treat such request with the same respect that we have treated all previous requests.

Certainly MSSA does not want to rush anyone into membership. Whatever happens, any affiliation becomes a partnership where SAGA will have full voting rights and the ability of affecting all policy.

Costs versus benefits

Before we put a lot of effort into debating modifications to the MSSA documents, let's first see what level of support they can give us, compared to the amount of effort we will have to put in:

Costs

  • A new reporting structure
How serious is the effort our MSSA representatives will have to put in? We already have hassles getting enough willing spirits to drive SAGA, and there were some serious questions asked about the value of adding regional councils to our structure.--Slashme 07:54, 5 January 2007 (EST)
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
Obviously MSSA would appreciate willing helpers to sit on our committees.--Colin Webster 15:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)
  • Clothes, medals, other folderol
All this talk of blazers and specified medal sizes and so on makes me slightly nervous. Is all this permitted but optional, or is it mandatory? The wording quoted below seems to suggest that it is required.--Slashme 07:54, 5 January 2007 (EST)
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
The reason why we have standardised all medals is quite simple. As far as MSSA is concerned all games (periods) are of equal status. Therefore all games (periods) are awarded standardised medals so that no one player can take offence. Also the standardisation of medals is useful for players when they look back at their medals that they have won over the years and recollect their achievements. Remember it is the MSSA that provides the medals.
In respect of blazers and such it must be remembered that MSSA is a fully accredited National Federation. Some players like to receive blazers for the award of national and/or provincial colours. Certainly the team of Computer Gamers that we sent to Taiwan in December 2006 were overjoyed to each receive blazer and tie to show that they were officially representing South Africa as a National Team.--Colin Webster 15:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)
  • Harmonizing rules
We'd need to put some serious managerial effort into negotiating sensible wording in the MSSA constitution with respect to tournament formats and scheduling, national teams and selection, awarding provincial colours etc.--Slashme 07:54, 5 January 2007 (EST)
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
Any input is always appreciated.--Colin Webster 15:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Benefits

  • Sharing venues
An immediate benefit is that GO championships can be held at any and/or all of MSSA's existing championships which would be an immediate savings on any expense of hiring venues. The medals would be supplied by MSSA and GO would be included in all of our press releases which would hopefully attract new players to the game.--Colin Webster 15:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)
  • Hopefully we could secure some funding to help development efforts, for example to pay people to teach go at schools, to support school clubs, etc.
Bottom line: how much money could SAGA get from this? --Slashme 07:54, 5 January 2007 (EST)
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
Like all federations, MSSA budgets its finances and helps where it can. You may be interested to note that MSSA redirects 50% of any net profit back to members (based on their performance) for development.--Colin Webster 15:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)
That doesn't really clarify things. A (the?) primary reason for affiliating would be to get a share of the government funding pie. At the moment we don't even know whether affiliating will result in a net profit or loss (is it clear exactly how much the applicable affiliation fee is?) - we will need a better indication of what's in it for us before we go to a lot of trouble drafting documents etc. -- Konrad 05:52, 8 January 2007 (EST)
  • Exposure:
Would we be able to leverage more support by taking part in MSSA events?--Slashme 07:54, 5 January 2007 (EST)
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
MSSA sends out press releases to over 1700 members of the media for each and every event. Our record for obtaining coverage for the period 1 November 2005 to 31 October 2006 is as follows:
  • newspaper articles: 45
  • Glossy page magazine articles: 3
  • Radio interviews: 7
  • Television slots: 6
--Colin Webster 15:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)
  • Schools:
Steve: How much pull does MSSA have with schools. In my opinion, the only real way to get Go off the ground in a big way in SA is to get a large number of schools taking it seriously, or getting schoolkids starting their own clubs (the Hikaru way). The Hikaru way seems to be working in America, because the AGA channels funds to start-up clubs, but SAGA doesn't have the funds or potential funds (such as contact with the Ing Chang-ki foundation) to do that. I think the way to boost Go in SA is to get groups of schools in the same region starting clubs together, and form leagues for Go competition in the area. Ideally, local clubs and players could teach, but we don't seem to have volunteers with time for this. However, once there's critical mass...
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
I agree entirely about the schools. However, it is not only a question about money but also time, and finding a teacher who is willing to take charge. There are very few years that MSSA does not accept new schools into membership. Even though MSSA's funds are limited (as is everyone's)the fact that MSSA is accredited by the Department of Sport and Recreation (SRSA) and a full member of the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC) does help us open doors. Headmasters and headmistresses are more willing to deal with an organisation that is accountable and accepted.--Colin Webster 15:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)
The point is, if MSSA already has pull with some schools, getting the school to recognise and support the club is much easier than a Hikaru style club being run at the school, but not affiliated, kind of like the Stb Go club is being run at the University, but can't get affiliated to it.
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
Certainly any of our existing school clubs will be advised of the inclusion of GO into MSSA and will be actively encouraged to promote the game.--Colin Webster 15:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)
  • National colours:
The ability to award national colours is one of the obvious reasons for getting affiliated as a national sport. Unfortunately it's not clear that this is relevant to us (currently) as there are no international team competitions and hence no opportunity to select a national team. --Konrad

Constitution

Tournament dates

They want a tournament schedule for a new year by October. Can we realistically achieve this?

I think it's a desirable goal. Is this requirement only for SAGA tournaments, or also for club tournaments by SAGA-affiliated clubs. Would it include 9x9 tournaments, or less official tournaments?--TheKro 5 January 2007
It might be desirable, but for example we can't fix the date of the SA Open before we have info on the dates of international tournaments.--Slashme 07:58, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Fines

In the constitution they make mention of fines, but are such fines binding as debt, even if the fined individual or body prefers to resign from MSSA instead of paying up? See for example:

20. WITHDRAWALS: Any member of the UNION who wants to terminate his membership shall give written notice of termination to the Executive Committee. Such member remains responsible for all his financial obligations towards the UNION that may be outstanding at the date of the termination of membership.
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
If there is a fine outstanding, the member that resigns shall still be liable. However, it should be noted that in the past five years there hasn't been a single fine imposed - we are all quite reasonable. Remember that a member can always appeal against a fine being imposed...--Colin Webster 15:48, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Blazers

Do we have to go and buy blazers???

ELIGIBILITY TO WEAR THE UNION'S COLOURS
1. The badge and blazer shall be worn by any person selected to represent the UNION, or has won all his games at the S A National Championships.


Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
In the case of National Teams MSSA normally supplies the blazers. It should be noted that such point deals with the eligibility to wear MSSA's colours. Such Schedule actually applies to very few players.--Colin Webster 15:52, 5 January 2007 (EST)

School clubs

Does each school have to have a club affiliated to MSSA?

A School player is a member, in good standing, of an affiliated member based at a school that exclusively accepts members from learners and educators from such school, in respect of whom the full registration fee applicable to a School Player has been received.
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
Oh I wish..... It would be great to see a club at every school! It should be remembered that many schools cater with a number of players from disadvantaged backgrounds. To cater for such learners and to encourage the growth of clubs at schools, MSSA introduced such category to allow learners to become registered players at a cheaper rate.--Colin Webster 15:58, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Affirmative action clause

Any black or female go-players who qualify for National Team Trials (whatever that means in our context, probably nothing) will automatically get into the national team (whatever that means in our context, probably nothing) Also, I was not aware that my mom is from a disadvantaged community, but by this definition she is!

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION: Any person from a disadvantaged community (that is blacks or women) be placed into the National Team should they have qualified and entered for National Team Trials provided that sufficient places are available in the team.
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
Since MSSA is a recognised National Federation that is accountable to SRSA and SASCOC and is sometimes called to appear in front of the Parliamentary Monitoring Committee for Sport (PMG), MSSA has to comply with the demands and priorites of the current government.
I would be most interested to know if your Mom felt that under the past government, or even now, as a woman she was/is afforded every opportunity or in fact was/is discriminated against in some shape or form.
My comment was more a semantic dig than a serious objection: Women are a previously disadvantaged group, but are not necessarily from disadvantaged communities. --Slashme 09:57, 6 January 2007 (EST)
To be honest this policy has seen a number of players placed in the national team over the years - all of whom have aquitted themselves admirably. Some of the players are now World and Continental Champions in their periods.
It may seem rough but any player who qualifies for National Team Trials is quite capable of representing South Africa. --Colin Webster 16:12, 5 January 2007 (EST)

International wargames federation

What is the international wargames federation, and does it have any relevance to us?

40.1 National Team Managers shall be registered players with both the UNION and the INTERNATIONAL WARGAMES FEDERATION, and have held office for at least three years in an administrative or technical capacity for the UNION, or have already served as a National Team Manager

I assume it's not relevant to us, but we must make sure of this, as there are affiliation costs:

The fees for the 2007 wargaming year (1 November 2006 to 31 October 2007) are:
Affiliation fees per club R100.00 per annum
Registration fees:
Registered with SAWU only R35.00 per player
Registered with SAWU and the INTERNATIONAL WARGAMES FEDERATION R54.00 per player
Players who are members of school clubs R 5.00 per player
Associate player R 1.00 per player
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
Yes of course there are costs. There is no such thing as a free lunch! While MSSA levies registration fees, MSSA maintains its membership to the IWF and the FMJD (both of which are International federations). It may interest you to note that a number of the international "Mind Sport" federations have banded together to create the International Mind-Games Federation. Such federation is, as I write, busy preparing its membership proposal for the IOC.
Should such a proposal be accepted, who knows where our beloved games will be in a few years' time?
However, when considering the costs, who cannot afford to register in order to promote their game, to see it fully accredited and to officially represent South Africa while wearing Protea Colours?--Colin Webster 16:23, 5 January 2007 (EST)
There are several causes of confusion here: first, we cannot tell whether the references to various wargaming bodies are a typos or not. It seems unthinkable that MSSA would require us to register with SAWU or IWF, but if this was a simple error, why didn't Colin correct it? One would think that, with membership to IGF already paid by us, the fees mentioned above are inapplicable? Secondly, the MSSA membership structure is based on the notion of individuals or clubs becoming members - it is not geared towards affiliations. So is the suggestion that all SAGA members should be transferred to MSSA instead, or that people should be members of both, or that SAGA affiliates to MSSA while keeping its members (this was my original impression), in which case what would the status of SAGA members be with the MSSA? It doesn't look like this has been thought through. -- Konrad 06:06, 8 January 2007 (EST)

I can see the sense of SAGA affiliating to MSSA, as it is a mind sport, and for SAWU affiliating to MSSA, as wargames are also mind sports. However, I have my doubts about how sensible it would be for SAGA members to affiliate to SAWU. SAGA is already affiliated to the IGF, which is the international governing body for Go. This would lead to a double affiliation: To the Go governing body and to the wargaming governing body. Could you please clarify what the relationship between MSSA and SAWU is? --Slashme 15:07, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Arbitration

Point 42 of the MSSA constitution requires us to insert a dispute resolution clause into our constitution, and this would make us refer all disputes to arbitration. I think it's good that we rather go for arbitration than sue each other, but isn't it even better to "go play a game of go on the internet (TM)"? The problem with this clause as currently worded is that ANY dispute should go to arbitration, no matter how minor.

Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
The Schedule dealing with Arbitration is a requirement from both the SRSA and SASCOC. Without such clause, the MSSA would not be recognised by either the SRSA or SASCOC.--Colin Webster 16:26, 5 January 2007 (EST)

OK, that's probably OK, as long as this doesn't generate unnecessary arbitration actions for minor disputes. --Slashme 10:09, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Party line

Under what circumstances must we only express the official view of MSSA, and to what extent is this view documented? This clause is vague and sinister, IMHO.

UNDERTAKING BY OFFICE BEARERS
All individuals wishing to stand for office, of whatever nature, in Mind Sports South Africa, shall sign an undertaking to only express the official view of the Union during their term of office when not participating in a Committee Meeting of Mind Sports South Africa.
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
There is nothing sinister at all about this clause. The intention of this clause is simple; a committee speaks with one voice! A player elected onto a committee may disagree all he/she wants to with a decision, but outside of the committee, such committee member must support the majority decision.There is plenty of opportunity to have opposition minuted and raised at committee meetings.
Not only that, but a player who represents MSSA on any of the International Federations to which we are affiliated may not present his/her own opinion instead of what the MSSA wants.--Colin Webster 16:33, 5 January 2007 (EST)
OK, maybe my paranoia went a bit too far here. Do you ever have cases where you have to take committee members to task for pronouncements that do not follow official policy? --Slashme 10:12, 6 January 2007 (EST)
An applicable incident happened in the US Chess Federation last year, during the presidential election of the international chess federation (FIDE). The USCF decided to support one candidate, but their delegate openly supported another (and then made a big fuss when she got censured). -- Konrad 07:12, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Regulations

Restrictive

The MSSA regulations seem extremely restrictive. I have severe doubts as to whether it would be in our interests to comply. There's all kinds of crap about dress codes and sizes of medals etc.

Boardgaming regulations

There is a lot in the MSSA boardgaming regulations that is completely irrelevant to us, but also a lot that should never be specified by MSSA, and should be up to tournament directors or SAGA.

Konrad: This is clearly a document that was compiled for Wargaming and later adjusted by inserting extra sections for Draughts and Morabaraba. Most of the document is specific to Wargaming (e.g. references to "Battle Honours" and "Periods"). It would have made more sense to have a separate document for each game. I imagine having a separate document for go would not be a problem? (We already have tournament rules etc written up, it's just a matter of compiling them into an acceptable format.)

National team trials

National teams are probably moot for SA Go, but in case it ever becomes an issue:

Anyone who is paid up can enter National Team Trials by submitting an essay, and the MSSA constitution provides for immediate entry into the national team for anyone from a "disadvantaged community" who qualifies for national trials.

1. To enter National Team Trials each entrant shall be registered
with the International Wargames Federation.
2. To enter National Team Trials each entrant shall include with
his/her entry an essay that shall include the following:
1. At least three technical tips.
2. Tactics employed.
Reply from Colin Webster (of MSSA)
At present there are World Championships for GO. There is no reason why we do not steam forward to try to get a National Team across to play.
Actually, the international amateur Go tournaments are individual events, and South Africa gets to send one representative, see: [1]. SAGA already sends one representative each year, based on placement in tournaments, involvement in SA go, and whether the player has recently represented SA in the tournament. We would be loath to change these parameters, because they are a relatively fair system that have been painstakingly thrashed out to the satisfaction of most of our members.

removed: joking around about qualification for national teams--Slashme 11:14, 6 January 2007 (EST)

While much of what is written above apropro National Teams seems to written in jest, it seems as though the point has been missed about qualifying for National Team Trials. In Rule 10.2.l of the General Regulations it clearly states the criteria needed for entry to the National Team Trials being;
"To enter National Team Trials the Registered Player must have been awarded National Colours in the previous year, or must have finished in the top 20% or top three places, whichever is greater, of the S A National Championships, or any official Premier Regional Championships for that period."
So, I think that you will agree that it takes just a little skill to get to enter the National Team Trials.
But with everything, rules can change, and suggestions are always welcome.--Colin Webster 17:06, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Use of the word "period"

They repeatedly use the word "period" when talking about tournaments. I assume it's a chess term. Can someone please clarify what this means?

Konrad: It's a wargaming term, as in historical periods. Presumably the victory conditions for say WW2 scenarios are different from those for medieval warfare. Evidently no one bothered to ask this question when Draughts and Morabaraba were added. Incidentally, MSSA does not govern chess, which is affiliated separately.

Tournament formats

The MSSA boardgaming regulations specify tournament formats (e.g. they prescribe the use of SOS and 1 point for victory, 1/2 point for draw, 0 points for loss).

Tournament schedule

The regulations specify the use of a "battle honours" system for inter-club challenges, which seems fair, except that they specify teams of three, which would be quite an advantage for certain clubs. Not a big problem. They also say:

6. The challengers shall choose the periods.
7. The challenged shall choose the rules. 

In light of what is meant by "periods" (wargaming periods) how is this to be interpreted in terms of go? --Slashme 11:17, 6 January 2007 (EST)

5 round tournaments

They want us to play 1-day 5-round tournaments!!!

(I assume the use of the word "figure gaming" here is a cut'n'paste error)

2.2 BOARD GAMING CHAMPIONSHIPS
a. All Premier figure gaming championships, such as, the S A National Championships and all  
Regional Premier Championships shall be played over five rounds should there be 10 or more  
players entered for the event.
2. All five rounds shall be played on Sunday.

Shuffling pieces and touch move

I'm not sure what "shuffling pieces" means here, but the "touch move" rule as stated here is moot for go, so no big issue here.

2.10 RULES
1. No player shall be allowed to shuffle pieces.
2. If a piece is touched, such piece must be moved – if it is legal to do so.
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